[Dev] Tizen 3.0 proposal for applications launch
c.haitzler at samsung.com
Thu Oct 17 02:57:19 GMT 2013
On 10/17/2013 12:06 AM, Schaufler, Casey wrote:
> But don't you have those same problems with a launcher? The launcher
i never said i like the launcher either. :) i hate it. but it does speed
things up. :)
> everything so the application doesn't get slowed by doing so. If you
> change a library the launcher needs to do the relinking. Granted,
> that's one place so it's a little bit better.
> And let's be clear. On a deployed phone, how often are you changing
> system libraries in an API incompatible way? Dynamic libraries are a
> boon for developers. For product they add unnecessary overhead and
> precious little else.
its not a matter of being incompatible at all. if the memory address
where a function is located chances at all (code is inserter or removed
from the binary, re-ordered etc.), as long as the abi stays (at LEAST
the same set of symbols as before with the same signatures for
arguments), then its compatible - but prelink makes any change in
address location an incompatible change. any change that could be a
security fix could break prelink (unless re-prelinked).
and as for "unnecessary overhead" - i will have to vehemently disagree.
if we just dumped shared libs entirely and statically linked
everything... our memory footrpint AND disk footprint would bloat out
immensely - but 10's or 100's of mb. we ALREADY are rather bloated in
tizen. a tizen mobile memory footrpint is between 2 to 5 TIMES that of
my own laptops/systems (give or take similar functionality ballpark).
statically linking everything will bloat out our i/o needs as we cant
re-cycle an already-loaded blob of shared code. we duplicate the memory
for it AND the i/o to load it. not to mention "if there is a bug in a
shared lib - security or otherwise, fix it once in one place and
everyone gets the fix". if we statically compile ONLY those that
re-build/link and re-ship their apps will get the fix. this is a major
problem for security and bugfix update distribution to users - it
massively bloats out the time and bandwidth needed to do it. :)
as a security guy you should also be concerned with prelink negating
address space randomization... :)
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