[Dev] [SCM] inter-package patch dependencies
alexander.kanevskiy at intel.com
Fri Oct 18 15:30:50 GMT 2013
On 10/18/13 18:12 , "Łukasz Stelmach" <l.stelmach at samsung.com> wrote:
Łukasz, can you provide some example where in such cases package A, B, C
would be needed to submitted together and that would be not an API/ABI
As for combined submit requests - the code works that people can "join" to
the group request.
Meaning that maintainer of A can submit his package and provide "id" to
maintainers of B and C.
Then maintainers of B and C can use same "id" to combine their changes
into one group.
It doesn't need to be done in precisely in the same time.
As for cross repository dependencies:
if we talking about just pure source code to coordinate between few people
on reviews and merges - this can be achieved by using "topic"
functionality in Gerrit.
However, if we are talking about exposing on higher abstraction level
dependencies between components -> those must be expressed as RPM
Otherwise we are re-inventing RPM.
And for build numbers, there are means where bumping "Release:" field in
.spec file would lead to increased predictable number in resulted
source/binary rpm in OBS.
>It was <2013-10-18 pią 14:07>, when Kanevskiy, Alexander wrote:
>> On 10/18/13 14:57 , "Łukasz Stelmach" <l.stelmach at samsung.com> wrote:
>>>I saw this problem few times before and now a teammate of mine told me
>>>he's got it too. The problem I'd like to discuss is inter-package patch
>>>Sometimes we introduce some changes that need other packages to be
>>>changed too. So we change those too. Then, after the changes pass review
>>>and get merged they are submitted to OBS. But if they get submitted in
>>>the wrong order build-breaks occure.
>>>I wonder if we could develope some kind of dependency checking for
>>>submit requests. Commit messages could contain lines like "Requires:
>>>Iabcd*" refering to change-id (hash ids?) in different projects.
>>>Such solution might even reduce amount of work SCM need to do when they
>>>have to revert OBS commits to keep the packages OK.
>> There are few things here:
>> 1. API changes that are not explicitly declared. Normally it's
>> handled that e.g. Library XYZ starts to provide new API that supposed
>> to be used by application. API is provided in version V1. Then, best
>> practice is, if application require that API to declare build
>> dependency: BuildRequire: Library-XYZ >= V1 In such submits, if
>> Application submitted first, it will be visible to release engineers
>> that it require newer version of library.
>This is simple, and obvious, and might help if the release numbers were
>not generated by OBS. But because they are, and I think that it is
>good. We need something more.
>I am refering to situations where merely a configuration option changes
>or we introduce a patch to an upstream package, either way there is no
>point in bumping the version.
>> 2. Synchronised submissions: in backend there is code (but not
>> currently actively used) that would group packages if they have
>> exactly same submit tag. Those are considered as group and decision
>> for them is taken atomically - either all of them is accepted or all
>That is definitely useful and IMHO would help in some cases. However, it
>will be quite cumbersome to use if depending changes are made to
>packages from different domains and different people need to create the
>same tag. If there was a way for the developer who posted the depending
>changes (for both packages) to specify their dependency in the commit
>messages we'd be cooking on gas.
>Samsung R&D Institute Poland
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