[Dev] Tizen 3 services: use case for multi user
tom.counihan at intel.com
Fri Sep 5 15:10:18 GMT 2014
Many Thanks Dominique for the considered response.
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> Le 05/09/2014 13:05, Counihan, Tom a écrit :
> >> Furthermore the requirement from Genivi is that a user application
> >> can be moved from one seat to an other without disconnection, so the
> >> binding between a seat an a user does not exist.
> >> We need to share BT adaptor between users which is why we need a BT
> >> framework on top of BlueZ to manage those issues.
> > In a shared adaptor model, with multiple potential users, how is it expected
> Murphy, the policy engine, interacts?
> > You may want to consider that a product may wish to employ policy on
> > top of functionality - i.e. just because you can practically allow
> > 4 devices to pair, you might not want to allow this because it doesn't match
> your UI behavior expectations? Having hooks to control this may be
> In Tizen OS, we cannot manage by default all the potential use cases but we
> focus on enabling platform creators to implement their own use case.
> We have a service BT-service which is acting as a proxy between the App run
> in a user context and the BT middleware.
> This management of HW ressource limitation is a platform specific issue
> which will depend of the exact HW and middleware configuration. It could be
> implemented either with Murphy which is a generic resource manager or
> directly in the BT-service or with an other resource manager.
> Tizen is focussing on the use bases described in the Wiki as validation of our
> enabling concepts. We are working on step 1 and once done, we will do step
> 2. What will be the step 3 is still open (ideas and better code are welcome).
> > Then to the concrete example of contact sync. Perhaps the thought
> process should expand beyond muti-user vis-à-vis devices and encompass
> how to handle/manage the data and the type of data?
> > I could think of some scenarios where I would have a userA wanting to pair
> (own) UserB's device.
> > If you sit the contacts into the user home dir, you could end up with a
> duplication of the contact db on the system - No?
> Following Tizen3 default security concepts we do not plan to store in
> permanent storage the data from a paired device.
> It drags a lot of security issues and complexity the storage management
> (when to clear the data) We will create cache when access to remote data is
> slow, in the case of contact where the volume of data is low, a RAM storage
> should do.
> Until we have a valid (and simple) model to ensure that UserA is willing to
> share it's data with UserB, we do not plan to enable private data sharing by
> Once again, in the Tizen project we enable private data isolation, would a
> platform creator decide to by-pass that security, he will still have that option
> (it's simpler to share than to protect).
> > Second angle to consider here is this. If I've enough access to the vehicle,
> the likely hood is I'm in the same social circle as others who also share that
> As a generic OS, we cannot assume that proximity. Vehicles are used by all
> sort of groups who do not want to share their data ranging from company
> and rental cars to couple with "things" to hide.
> > Ergo a high probability that two users overlap on contacts. That observation
> could also expand to the corporate car market, where the social circle is the
> enterprise address book. It may break down for the shared car or rental
> sector. With a per user storage solution, you have challenges in optimizing for
> storage - why store and identical contact in 2 locations? Why store 2 identical
> albums on the device? It may seem like unnecessary complication, but
> consider knock on impact to eMMC wearout issues and 15year lifetime
> expectations in the auto sector.
> Once again, the most demanded use case in IVI is based on the hand free
> remote profile where the contact info are (and should remain) on the phone.
> A quick check shows that 1000 contact entries, once compressed take at
> most 50kB. Knowing that a simple photo would require from 10 to 100 time
> more space, contact temp storage for a few user should not be an issue.
> > Would it be worth considering, from a device perspective it knows only of
> its MAC address and a PIN to auth.
> > PIN is loosely coupled to the user, but from a BT spec perspective, the
> protocol has no real concept of the user.
> That is why we have a BT service in proxy.
> > Then following this, could it make sense that you store the contacts in
> some [whateverpath/BTMACADDR]? Or have a central storage location and
> tag the contact to the btaddr - identify duplicates and augment the
> association with the additional btaddr?
> So far the model is to favour private data protection. If the community would
> come with a clear preference for sharing data, we would have to change our
> > Then layer user meta data above this.
> > At the end of the day, some OEMs (IVI) may view it a feature that it has 1
> system contact address book, it may choose to a) segregate this so the
> contacts are viewed per device or b) harmonize the address book into 1 list
> (perhaps filtering out duplicates - after all if you are willing to share a ride
> with someone, you probably know the same people too). I could also
> foresee that it reasonable that when sitting with my partner, I want to use
> my device to make a call to a contact stored in her addressbook.
> This not very far from the model that we are considering for Multimedia
> meta data, where the risk of miss-sharing and the data volume are the
> reverse of contact data.
> > Finally, having a device orientated store structure could offer some
> advantage to purging data - for rental cars, I may want to have a generic
> 'guest' (or even have a pay-per service model where when renting, could
> 'upgrade' guest to enable navigation for a fee), so I may want to invoke the
> user concept to bucket different services, but I need a way to legally adhere
> to the data protection act by purging the addressbook without having to
> delete /recreate the user profile - less erase/rewrites helps my flash
> memory longevity - which is a far bigger issue for IVI than multiuser, as the
> typical head unit replacement cost - parts and labor - could reach $3000.
> For guest user, current plan to not copy any data in permanent storage what
> should provide a satisfactory solution to your worry.
> Dominig ar Foll
> Senior Software Architect
> Open Source Technology Centre
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