[Tizen General] Tizen platform development tools survey : dropping 32bit linux support

Jian-feng Ding jian-feng.ding at intel.com
Mon Sep 23 05:58:27 GMT 2013


Actually, all the building of Tizen packages DO be inside the Tizen
environment, thru chroot or VM in which all build-required Tizen packages are
installed. The tools support OS choice is another story, it's up to
developers' choice, right?

thanks
- jf.ding

On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 08:53:47AM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:59:24 +0000 "Clark, Joel" <joel.clark at intel.com> said:
> 
> agreed. it's rather embarrassing not to be able to self-host given that tizen
> is an entire OS.
> 
> imagine if all the engineers and executives etc. at bmw drove fords because
> "bmw's can't manage to get us to the office without breaking down".
> 
> we're not building specialized mining equipment. that won't get us to the
> office. tizen is a general os. it has to be by its very nature.
> 
> > It is disappointing that the tools for doing Tizen local builds are not
> > expected to run on Tizen.  I consider it an obvious hard requirement that
> > should be tested regularly.
> > 
> > Regards
> > Joel
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: general-bounces at lists.tizen.org
> > [mailto:general-bounces at lists.tizen.org] On Behalf Of Jian-feng Ding Sent:
> > Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:39 AM To: Kok, Auke-jan H
> > Cc: general at lists.tizen.org
> > Subject: Re: [Tizen General] Tizen platform development tools survey :
> > dropping 32bit linux support
> > 
> > Hi, Auke
> > 
> > The major reason of 32bit-linux-platform tools support dropping plan is the
> > qemu issue: we still have no stable 32bit qemu-static executable for current
> > Tizen, which is very important for the local build and image creation in
> > 32bit development systems.
> > 
> > And the future 64bit support of Tizen itself is only the last straw of it.
> > Whenever the 64bit Tizen development is the necessary part of developers'
> > work, they can only use 64bit development environment.
> > 
> > thanks
> > - jf.ding
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:47:54PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Tomasz Olszak <olszak.tomasz at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm opposed to this.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 64bit support in Tizen is not yet mainstream at all, as a matter of 
> > > >> fact it's barely been implemented in 3.0, and no major release that 
> > > >> developers can use yet has happened.
> > > >>
> > > >> Can we maintain 32bit code until most developers have had a major 
> > > >> release on 64bit? It will be a significant amount of time until 
> > > >> that really happens.
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I think that question concerns development tools (gbs, qemu and so 
> > > > on) not the architecture of Tizen.
> > > 
> > > I was referring to this part that Zhang wrote:
> > > 
> > > >> As Tizen will support 64bit build in the future, which can only be 
> > > >> built by >> using 64bit system, so it's recommended to switch to 64bit
> > > >> system ASAP.
> > > 
> > > My argument is that this motivation is somewhat premature - we want to 
> > > use the tools on tizen itself (Zhang is not disputing that, nor am I) 
> > > but the notion that 64bit support in Tizen itself is mature and 
> > > everyone is using it (and gbs/mic on it) is obviously false.
> > > 
> > > From that follows that 64bit tools on Tizen could not have been 
> > > extensively been tested. So why remove support for 32bit tools that 
> > > are being tested and used right now if nobody is yet using and testing 
> > > on 64bit? Sounds premature to me - the word "ASAP" certainly is.
> > > 
> > > Auke
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