[Tizen General] The Tizen Project is broken. We will be spending some time apart.

Bob Summerwill bob at summerwill.net
Mon Aug 25 12:05:28 GMT 2014

Huawei boss says Tizen has 'no chance' of success", in interview with the


Considering that Huawei are on the Board of Directors of the Tizen
Association (and the only handset manufacturer on the board other than
Samsung?) , that is a pretty heavy blow.


On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Bob Summerwill <bob at summerwill.net> wrote:

> Thanks for the follow-up, Mats.
> I was expecting a public response.    Normally when you say "this project
> is broken", I would expect some kind of "no it isn't" response from the
> project leads, or at least "yes, we are aware there are problems, and
> here's what we are doing to mitigate it".    To get nothing back is very
> disappointing.    It gives the impression that nobody in a position of
> influence within the project really cares whether Tizen fails or succeeds.
>   That, or they are gagged (which is more likely).    Not so great for an
> open source project in either case.
> While it is great to see your response, those impressions remain with me.
> Thanks for the additional information around the LinuxCon structure and
> IoT consortium.
> I dug up this amusing tweet on the topic :-)
>     https://twitter.com/TomRaftery/status/486797277181538304
> Glad to hear that you will be presenting about Tizen in the future.   Best
> of luck with that.
> Cheers,
> Bob
> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Mats Wichmann <mats at osg.samsung.com>
> wrote:
>> On 08/22/14 11:00, Bob Summerwill wrote:
>> >
>> > The fact that there has been NO REPLY whatsoever to this mail a week
>> > later speaks volumes about the state of the Tizen Project.
>> >
>> > I've been watching various recorded presentations from LinuxCon in the
>> > last couple of days.   LinuxCon is organized by the Linux Foundation,
>> > but I've seen no mention whatsoever of Tizen at the conference.
>> ...
>> > Please could somebody in a position of influence within the Tizen
>> > Project make at least some response?
>> Position of Influence != me.  This is just me as an individual. Don't
>> necessarily expect to hear from such a person here (at least not at the
>> level of influence you seem to be after).
>> Bob, I have to say that your original post didn't really read like it
>> was fishing for a response.  My own personal reaction is not one of
>> major disagreement with your positions. There's a lot to be fixed, and
>> the spate of governance and other activities ramping up for Tizen 3.0
>> don't seem to have had a lot of influence on the kind of things you were
>> complaining about (not yet, at least). It's frustrating. I'll observe
>> that the Tizen platform development community seems to be pretty healthy
>> and humming along nicely in the absence of very public roadmaps,
>> released devices, and such like.  Like you, I'd personally worry about
>> building a third-party business plan with things looking this
>> unpredictable.
>> on to...
>> LinuxCon in general is running colocated mini-confs for Tizen and a
>> number of other projects.  If a talk proposal that happens to focus on
>> Tizen gets accepted for one of the main LinuxCon tracks, so be it, but
>> at a LinuxCon/CloudOpen Tizen would not be expected to be a main focus
>> area. You'll see that from the call for proposals - the focus is more
>> general that such a specific project as Tizen. So you'll probably see
>> Tizen activties only at the miniconf, which may or may not even have an
>> internet presence.  I make no comment on that setup, just reporting that
>> it's the way it is.  [Information Note: I'll be doing a Tizen
>> presentation at the LinuxCon Europe miniconf in  October, so I know
>> there will be some presence there]
>> and...
>> Some IoT things look like they may happen in the context of the Open
>> Interconnect Consortium (openinterconnect.org), which has key Tizen
>> participants as founding members.  I haven't heard a lot of Tizen
>> wording around the founding of that group, but I'm assuming that there
>> will be synergy here (again, just personal opinions).
>> cheers,
>> -- mats
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