[Tizen General] The Tizen Project is broken. We will be spending some time apart.

jezra jezra at jezra.net
Mon Aug 25 16:45:31 GMT 2014


It is very probable that those with "position of influence within the
project" are not on the mailing list. 

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 04:43:15 -0700
Bob Summerwill <bob at summerwill.net> wrote:

> Thanks for the follow-up, Mats.
> 
> I was expecting a public response.    Normally when you say "this
> project is broken", I would expect some kind of "no it isn't"
> response from the project leads, or at least "yes, we are aware there
> are problems, and here's what we are doing to mitigate it".    To get
> nothing back is very disappointing.    It gives the impression that
> nobody in a position of influence within the project really cares
> whether Tizen fails or succeeds. That, or they are gagged (which is
> more likely).    Not so great for an open source project in either
> case.
> 
> While it is great to see your response, those impressions remain with
> me.
> 
> Thanks for the additional information around the LinuxCon structure
> and IoT consortium.
> 
> I dug up this amusing tweet on the topic :-)
> 
>     https://twitter.com/TomRaftery/status/486797277181538304
> 
> Glad to hear that you will be presenting about Tizen in the future.
> Best of luck with that.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Mats Wichmann <mats at osg.samsung.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > On 08/22/14 11:00, Bob Summerwill wrote:
> > >
> > > The fact that there has been NO REPLY whatsoever to this mail a
> > > week later speaks volumes about the state of the Tizen Project.
> > >
> > > I've been watching various recorded presentations from LinuxCon
> > > in the last couple of days.   LinuxCon is organized by the Linux
> > > Foundation, but I've seen no mention whatsoever of Tizen at the
> > > conference.
> > ...
> > > Please could somebody in a position of influence within the Tizen
> > > Project make at least some response?
> >
> > Position of Influence != me.  This is just me as an individual.
> > Don't necessarily expect to hear from such a person here (at least
> > not at the level of influence you seem to be after).
> >
> > Bob, I have to say that your original post didn't really read like
> > it was fishing for a response.  My own personal reaction is not one
> > of major disagreement with your positions. There's a lot to be
> > fixed, and the spate of governance and other activities ramping up
> > for Tizen 3.0 don't seem to have had a lot of influence on the kind
> > of things you were complaining about (not yet, at least). It's
> > frustrating. I'll observe that the Tizen platform development
> > community seems to be pretty healthy and humming along nicely in
> > the absence of very public roadmaps, released devices, and such
> > like.  Like you, I'd personally worry about building a third-party
> > business plan with things looking this unpredictable.
> >
> > on to...
> >
> > LinuxCon in general is running colocated mini-confs for Tizen and a
> > number of other projects.  If a talk proposal that happens to focus
> > on Tizen gets accepted for one of the main LinuxCon tracks, so be
> > it, but at a LinuxCon/CloudOpen Tizen would not be expected to be a
> > main focus area. You'll see that from the call for proposals - the
> > focus is more general that such a specific project as Tizen. So
> > you'll probably see Tizen activties only at the miniconf, which may
> > or may not even have an internet presence.  I make no comment on
> > that setup, just reporting that it's the way it is.  [Information
> > Note: I'll be doing a Tizen presentation at the LinuxCon Europe
> > miniconf in  October, so I know there will be some presence there]
> >
> > and...
> >
> > Some IoT things look like they may happen in the context of the Open
> > Interconnect Consortium (openinterconnect.org), which has key Tizen
> > participants as founding members.  I haven't heard a lot of Tizen
> > wording around the founding of that group, but I'm assuming that
> > there will be synergy here (again, just personal opinions).
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > -- mats
> >
> >
> >
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> 
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