[Tizen General] Tizen Community pages

Bob Summerwill bob at summerwill.net
Tue Jun 23 19:49:55 GMT 2015


Thanks, JD.

On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Jong-Deok Choi <jd11.choi at samsung.com>
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> Bob,
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> Feedbacks to the Tizen Project are also always much appreciated.
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> Thanks again,
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> JD
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> 최 종덕 (崔 宗德)
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> Jong-Deok (JD) Choi
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> Executive Vice President
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> Software R&D Center
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> Samsung Electronics
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> Phone) +82-31-279-3500
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> *From:* bobsummerwill at gmail.com [mailto:bobsummerwill at gmail.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Bob Summerwill
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2015 8:17 AM
> *To:* Jong-Deok Choi
> *Cc:* Olivier Nyssen; Carsten Haitzler; Guy Martin; Brian Warner; 이효건부사장;
> Imad Sousou; Mats Wichmann; Roy Sugimura; Tizen General Mailing List
> *Subject:* RE: [Tizen General] Tizen Community pages
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> Thank you, JD!
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> Your reply is much appreciated.
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> I am based in Toronto, Canada.
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> Cheers,
> Bob
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> On Jun 22, 2015 7:04 PM, "Jong-Deok Choi" <jd11.choi at samsung.com> wrote:
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> Hi Bob,
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> Thank you for your frank opinion, which we will consider very seriously.
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> BTW, EVP HG Lee is now in charge of the Tizen Project within Samsung,
> reporting directly to me, and I have included him in this e-mail thread.
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> Best,
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> JD
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> Ps. Where is your office? Next time when I travel near your place, we can
> get together for a chat.
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> 최 종덕 (崔 宗德)
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> Jong-Deok (JD) Choi
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> Executive Vice President
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> Software R&D Center
>
> Samsung Electronics
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> Phone) +82-31-279-3500
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> *From:* bobsummerwill at gmail.com [mailto:bobsummerwill at gmail.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Bob Summerwill
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2015 6:42 AM
> *To:* Carsten Haitzler; Olivier Nyssen; Guy Martin; Brian Warner; Imad
> Sousou; Mats Wichmann; Roy Sugimura; jd11.choi at samsung.com
> *Cc:* Tizen General Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Tizen General] Tizen Community pages
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> Corrected JD Choi e-mail address
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> On Jun 22, 2015 2:27 AM, "Bob Summerwill" <bob at summerwill.net> wrote:
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> I would like to propose that we take Brian Warner's move from the Linux
> Foundation to Samsung as the signal for reconsidering the Tizen Project as
> a whole.
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> ** The Emperor has no clothes. **
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> The current "Tizen community" setup is transparently "community threater"
> rather than being a real community model.   The web forums are pointless
> ghost-towns.   Even the mailing lists usually yield little in the way of
> useful engagement.
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> The root cause of this is obvious, though unspeakable expect to the
> brave/stupid few like myself who are not dependent on Samsung financially.
>   Tizen is now a Samsung project in every way which is meaningful.   The
> Linux Foundation have little role.   The Tizen Association are now almost
> entirely indistinguishable from Samsung.
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> Intel have delivered on what was seemingly a contractual obligation to
> ship Tizen IVI 3.0, by paying Eurogicial to do that work, and now have
> seemingly existed stage left.   Will they ever announce that they are no
> longer working on Tizen?   Maybe in months and months time, or maybe never.
>   I doubt they will want to be publicly seen as dumping a Mobile Linux
> project AGAIN after MeeGo, but that appears to be exactly what they have
> done.    Tizen didn't work out the way they wanted.   Nobody seems to have
> any interest in x86 chips for mobile, and they can get x86 sales for IoT
> without Tizen, so what is left for them in Tizen?   Nothing.
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> So Tizen is in a shambles in terms of the "official plan".   It has been
> operating in a state of little integrity for a long, long time, as I first
> noted back in August 2014 -
> https://kitsilanosoftware.wordpress.com/2014/08/13/the-tizen-project-is-broken-we-will-be-spending-some-time-apart-3/
> - to no official response.    When your Open Source project cannot even be
> bothered to muster an official response to somebody stating publicly that
> your project is "Broken", I think that speaks volumes in itself.    Almost
> on the same day that I was persuaded to have Kitsilano Software join the
> Tizen Association (
> https://kitsilanosoftware.wordpress.com/2014/10/20/kitsilano-software-joins-the-tizen-association/),
> the Tizen Project yet again kicked the community in the teeth with the
> silent murder of OSP between 2.3 Alpha and 2.3 Beta, showing complete
> contempt for semantic versioning and for partners and the community, by
> breaking all existing native apps.
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> The unspeakable root cause of all of this is that Samsung run the Tizen
> show from behind closed doors.   The promise of Tizen open governance which
> was announced in December 2013 (so, a full 19 months ago) -
> http://www.slideshare.net/SamsungOSG/tizen-open-governance-model - is
> still just that.   A promise.   Because the open governance was always ONLY
> for Tizen 3.x, not for the ongoing work on Tizen 2.x which is 100% of the
> commercially relevant life of the Tizen platform.   Everything which is a
> real commercial Tizen product has been made by Samsung.   All of them are
> on Tizen 2.x - even the forthcoming Gear A smartwatch.   There is effort
> being applied by Samsung developers on Tizen 3.x profiles, but even now,
> there is no public commitment or timelines for Tizen 3.x product to be
> shipped by Samsung.
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> Again, the unspeakable but obvious solution to all of this is very simple.
>   To speak the truth.   Tizen is OBVIOUSLY a Samsung project.   Perhaps
> that wasn't the original plan.   We all wanted this to be a collaborative
> project with many sponsors, spanning hardware manufacturers, telcos,
> software companies, etc.   Like desktop Linux.    That didn't work out, and
> now it is effectively just SLP again.   Even the Bada part got killed.
>  That is fine.   Let's call it like it is.    SLP is not a bad thing.
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> So we're now in a position where Tizen is really just SLP again.   It's a
> Samsung Linux project, working in a manner which is nearly identical to
> Android.   Samsung does all the work behind closed doors, and does source
> drops at release points.   You can take those releases and fork them and do
> what you want, but that's about it.    Even that didn't used to be possible
> for Tizen when it was under Flora licensing, but everything useful in Tizen
> is Apache licensed too now, so that is now possible.   RzR and Leon and
> others are showing the value in Tizen with their baseboard projects, though
> that is against the Tizen 3.0 zombie codebase.
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> Tizen doesn't have to be a Linux Foundation project to be valuable.
> Samsung are driving.   That is fine.   They should remove the project from
> the Linux Foundation and run it themselves, through the Samsung Open Source
> Center.   I hope that is the plan, and that is why Brian is moving to
> Samsung.   With Brian at Samsung, a real Tizen community can be built with
> that project/community interface rightly being at Samsung, rather than in
> the weird Linux Foundation / Tizen Association / Tizen Steering Group /
> Samsung / Intel soup which has been the official line to this point.
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> Tizen needs to just be a Samsung open source project.    If Samsung are
> lacking in integrity then it will continue to be developed on the Tizen 2.x
> codeline forever (behind the castle walls), so that Samsung can avoid the
> open governance which was promised 19 months ago while saying that they
> never broken any promises because that governance was only for Tizen 3.x
> and they are not shipping any Tizen 3.x products.     If Samsung really
> want Tizen to be anything other than "Samsung's Android" then they will
> switch to that open governance model for Tizen 2.x, or start shipping
> products based on Tizen 3.x.   Like Smart TVs for 2016, and for the next
> Gear after Gear A, and for the Z2/Z3 mobile, etc.    Or, if there is a long
> lead time for that switchover then to actually announce their plans for
> that switchover.
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> So ... that would be my plea and recommendation.    Please can the Tizen
> leadership start speaking the truth?   Please can we all be honest and
> acknowledge that Tizen is a Samsung project?   No more, no less.   Maybe
> that wasn't the original plan, but it is a reality, and has been for many
> months or even years.   The Linux Foundation needs to disengage.   The
> Tizen Association needs to die.    The Tizen Steering Committee needs to be
> disbanded.    Samsung needs to be responsible for community engagement.
> Samsung needs to either honestly stand behind the less-than-ideal
> development model of behind closed doors development followed by source
> drops - just as Google does for Android - or commit to open governance for
> Tizen and actually do that.    The Tizen 3.x codebase needs to be embraced
> by Samsung or killed.
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> I am outside of the Tizen Project, but this reality is as clear as day to
> me.   The cognitive dissonance has been jarring to me for nearly a year
> now.   That is really unhealthy for everyone involved with the project.
>  I cannot begin to imagine what it must be like to be working within that
> box.    It's like an abusive relationship.   There is a degree of Stockholm
> syndrome to stay within that broken system.    The good news is that it is
> easy enough to fix this.    But Samsung needs to lead that change, by
> acknowledging that there is a (very big) problem with the current setup,
> and by making that change.
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> So there you go.    That is what you call speaking your mind.    I do it
> with the best long term intentions for everyone involved with the Tizen
> Project.   Not just to be a prick.    Because I am in a position to put
> these thoughts which many other people probably have every day, but they
> cannot articulate them, because to do so would be to bite the hand which
> feeds, and because they are afraid of the consequences of that.    I am not.
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> My life experiences have taught me that speaking truth to power can have
> very positive outcomes for everyone involved, and is a very rare trait -
> https://bobsummerwill.wordpress.com/2014/06/02/speaking-truth-to-power-the-key-to-my-success-at-ea/
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> Go Tizen Go!
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> Bob Summerwill
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> Kitsilano Software
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> http://bobsummerwill.com | http://kitsilanosoftware.com
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